What are your thoughts on the 2012 enigma?

[Steven Burnand]

We are coming up to a unique planetary alignment in 2012 when our sun will arrive at it's solar centre.

There are many videos on YouTube about this subject and about the many social and political events now taking place, including evidence of an emerging new world order. What are you thoughts on these enigmatic developments?

For a broader perspective on 2012 and the new world order please go to -

http://2012armageddonnwo.ning.com/

This site offers a vast video library and much more on this subject matter.

Sending best wishes to all…Steve

[Adam]

I agree, Bill, it's going to be amazing! What a wonderful time to be alive1

[Deborah Rankin]

Yes, non-judgement is difficult, but essential to overcoming the illusion of separateness that has kept us locked in a futile loop of competition and all other misguided ego based activities. Materialsim has reached it's most grotesque expressions, human arrogance has reeked ruin upon this beautiful earthly realm and her blessed inhabitants. Gnosis Kardias- knowledge of the heart, that is the key. I share your sense of excitement. I feel that over the past several years that my own growth has accelerated and that has required me to undergo ordeals that I at times felt were not survivable, yet I could not be help but be in awe of the profound spiritual forces at work. ' dark night of the soul' - at least for me, a prerequisite to the spiritual preparation required of us at this most exciting time in our planet's history - miniscule yet holy within the far grander scheme of 'things'

[K Jo]

I am with you on this as well. I've been keeping up with Oprah's webcasts on A New Earth. It's all along the same line of thought. Isn't it about time there was a shift in consciousness on this planet? It has to get better...
Peace

[Lynn Marlowe]

Aren't the scientology people so worried that they are building underground bomb type shelters like was done in the 50's? The mormons also keep dehydrated food for 1 or 2 years or more just in case thing, so it seems much of society (I'm sure our big political people) are preparing for something that they wish to go underground for. Could just be the usual hit the button by accident thing or someone thinks they know something most of us don't. Not to be an alarmist as I feel our faith will put us where God wishes us to be and I'm hoping for a type of mutation where we can access more spiritually &/or dimensionally. Keep with good works and meditation and prayer. Hugs.

[Judy Lapointe]

well the beauty part of all that is the fact that any leaders who feel they can protect themselves, will not have a group to lead if they aren't focused on the bigger picture. People of wealth will no longer have that wealth and we will all be equal.

I do believe something is shifting, just the magnetics is making a reverse and this has been seen with Jupiter's storm shifting direction when it happened. Yes I do believe many of us will die, but the good news about that fact is WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE eventually, so really what's to fear Life? Life is death, it happens even though we are not one with the realization. What is death anyways? Changing dimensions? Vibrating differently? Light vibrations can't be seen, but we see light. Actually the only way we see a table, chair, car, how to run the car all depends on the mix of light with matter. We couldn't see anything or use a car for that matter if there wasn't light bouncing off it.

Judy

[Melissa]

Bless your naivete, Bill, i am in full accord with your perspectiive and goals. Besides, according to one source, it just may be that 2012 is an arbitrary date (go to this interview http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/drunvalo.htm)
Namaste,
Melissa

[Steven Burnand]

Hi Melissa, here are some of my thoughts on the subject.

One of the major shifts in perception needs to be a move from an either/or model over to an 'and' inclusive model. That is either/or and 'and'! 4D perception is only possible when all these qualities are functioning as one.

Everyone views the world from a different perspectives. Their is a part within us that connects us all to the collective mind and a part within the collective mind that connects it to our solar system and so on.

The higher generic levels 'work with' relationships between the parts and perceives them as a 'whole' To the collective our bodies and minds are somewhat similar to the cells with our bodies and it organises them in similar ways.

At the higher generic level different points of view are 'not' seen as something to compete against or play games of 'I am right and you are wrong'

The different points of view are seen 'purely' as different perspectives of the whole and the aim of this 4D perspective is to get and 'all round' point of view. A sphere is the most efficient surface to store dynamic information on and in. (both surfaces can be used)

Human perception has a fuzzy stage as it can be coloured by previous knowledge and biased towards beliefs and this is where actions comes into play. I called this stage 'reality testing' when I was teaching my students practicable skills. It appears that the system is fractal in its form, yet it has a fuzzy boundary, where one level meets another level.

The fuzzyness is a good thing as it allows for adaptation and a reorientation of both parts until the best possible fit is achieved.

Logic was primary designed to control minds and to keep them from interfacing with the higher generic mind sets in which Drunvalo mentions in the movie you posted. The engineering does not have to be carried out at a genetic level.

The higher generic set is a mirror of the lower set and visa versa.

It appears that the chakras are gates between energy shells. The system appears to have put these gates in place in order to maintain the higher levels of 'negative' entropy. In other words the higher states of order are literally more ordered and through having gates, they are able to preserve their higher state of order.

Without these gates the higher states would go into entropy. From a human perspective those that have unconditional love and compassion in their hearts and minds will be allowed passage through and those that have bitterness hate and greed, within their minds will need to change their ways, in order to make the journey through to the next level of order (conciousness)

Being part of the process and understanding the process is 'universal' is the key to understanding the nature of the journey and that the processes within our solar system resemble in process within our body.

Our minds has two hemispheres and the universe has two hemispheres, one that is above the galactic plain or universal corpus colosum and the other that is below the plain. This is no coincidence!

A half cycle takes 13,000 years.

The lower cycle is the Yang phase and the subtle energies within this half cycle are biased towards splitting things up. Both splitting and joining still takes place, during this phase phase, however greater and greater effort is needed to join things together and be creative.

Towards the end of this phase (extreme Yang) things are split apart on colossal scales. Science has unwittingly followed the universal journey through the Yang phase and its no coincidence that in the last few years of extreme Yang that the biggest and most powerful splitters have been developed. (The H Bomb, The Collided etc) The most destructive wars have also taken place and despots and dictators are in abundance.

The galactic plain is the looking glass and we are all just about to go through it. Its also the corpus colusom of our universe. The universal energy appears to work between two plains and that's why we all have two hemispheres to our brain.

Our solar systems 13,000 year half cycle above the galactic plain (the Yin phase) is what I believe to be the ark of the covenant or golden age. The subtle energies within this phase are biased towards joining things up and creativity. Cooperation and symbioses are qualities of this phase.

This is where hearts and heads join and work together in harmony. The common misconception here is to believe that its necessary to come wholly from the heart. This idea was born during the Yang phase and as the universe is interconnected and 'as one' neither head or heart are seen as more important than the other. What is important is process and the process here is one of balance and harmony, so a free flowing two way movement of energy between the heart and mind is the goal.

The way forward here is to use the hemisphere of the brain that has the qualities of the Yin phase and the right hemisphere has such qualities. Opening up the right hemisphere in turn opens up your mind to comunicate with your heart through, understanding and the language of feelings.

The left hemisphere is not made redundant, it goes through a stage that some call ego death. This is a Yang phase misconception as the ego no longer 'only' views its self as the centre of the universe, it becomes aware that it is 'both' separate and whole. Its the both factor that heals. The ego is reborn in a higher dimension of possibilities.

I have written about this process many times on this thread and in many ways. Do you or anybody out there know a neuroscientist that understands the processes of the corpus colusom? My gut feelings are that the processes reflected in our mind will be somewhat similar to the processes that our solar system is just about to go through. As above so below.

These are a few of my thoughts and feelings above and I have tried to understand the process from many perspectives, by reading books from and talking to people with different points of view.

Best intention to you and all.....Steve

[Bill Schuh]

Thank you for that gift, Melissa! I just finished viewing the interview.
Here's to the Unity of Life!

Cheers,
Bill

[Sandra]

Naive - no way! You are on the right track. The new world is being prepared for us. The old world will remain for those who want to continue experiencing the lower vibrations. The Goddess energy is back - love and creativity. The new world is heart based and your comment about paying attention to the Self is right on. We are to heal ourselves from within and as we heal our world will change. Trying to make people change is not it. Change yourself witin and rise to a higher vibration and be ready for the new world. The world of oneness, love, joy, peace and magic. This world will end as we know it. That is the meaning behind 2012. It is not the end of the world physically, it is the end of the world as we know it.

We are moving to a higher vibration where we will be more of who we are, our true essence. People are already realizing the game. The so called dark forces are here to help us step into our own power and they will do whatever is necessary for us to say, "enough is enough!" We are to realize the game and take back our power and be and express who we really are. When we let go of the world's issues and use our time and energy going within, we can heal ourselves and as we heal ourselves we energetically make changes within the world and these changes will help others to realize the game and begin to make changes in themselves, and so on and so on. This is already happening. More and more groups are being formed talking about oneness, love, peace, etc. They realize the game and are forming groups all over the world. What is missing? The self change. The groups are okay but they do not give off enough power to make a big difference. The change is not out side of us but within us. Then what we seek will manifest in the way it is meant to.

We are moving forward and rising higher and the more who wake up and realize the game, the more swiftly we will reach our goal - the new Earth. Our bodies are changing. We are expanding consciously. We are becoming more in tune with who we are. Most importantly, we are realizing that we are in this together - oneness. We are not separate or better than. We are one. This oneness is the key.

A couple of years or so ago I intuitively drew a picture that I call the Birth of the New Earth. This drawing is Mayan. The ancient Mayans inspired me to do several drawings. When we work on ourselves we connect to our ancestral roots and past lives. I used to be a Mayan priest in a past life.

As people heal self they will connect with the sacred wisdom and power within and use it to heal others, the Earth and the Universe.

[Steven Burnand]

Hi Sandra, your words are true and to the point. The goddess energy is the energy of connectedness and creation. The in-divide-all needs to become the in-connect-all as well as we are like the book tells us, ‘both’ alpha and omega.

If there has been any genetic tinkering or social manipulation in the past it’s been to hide the goddess energy from our consciousness.

As the goddess energy is an energy that has a self awareness of direction and it uses directions in space to self organise.

Getting in-touch with this energy and learning to work with the goddess energies directional qualities is paramount in making this next evolutionary leap.

It time to regain control and master our own navigational system and you are right, as many start to master this lost skill and become the navigator of their own destiny a great change will occur in the collective mind, as it too, will then be able to self organise on yet another level.

The lord helps those who navigate themselves and the goddess IS the navigator whose point of centre is the heart. Finding your centre is paramount to finding both yourself and your way of ways.

Best intentions to you and all

Steve

[Gail K]

Steve: There are tons of information about 2012...and as the following suggests, everyone has their own idea as to which way it might go. I copied the following from a site that I googled. You can do a lot of reading and come to your own conclusions. For myself, I'm studying the Alice Bailey books at this particular time. One thing to keep in mind is that any age has a transition time. If I'm correct, it can be up to or around 100 years. I can't remember exactly. I certainly don't subscribe to the Christian idea of Armegeddon where the "believers" are going to be lifted up and the rest of us are going to "hell"......

Among the more obvious suggestions for the beginning of the Age of Aquarius are the following:

1898: According to Hindu chronology, the Kali Yuga (Age of Iron) began in the year 3102 BC. As the yuga has a duration of 5000 years, its end occurred in 1898.

1904: Aleister Crowley in the Book of the Law, dictated to him by a discarnate Egyptian entity, proposed April 1904 in Cairo.when the channeling occurred, as the beginning of the New Aeon ruled by Horus, the solar god of ancient Egypt.

1905: Gerald Massey used the standard precessional period of 2160 years for each zodiac sign of 30 degrees and assumed a starting point of 255 BC, which meant that the beginning of the Age of Aquarius was in 1905. He used the correct precessional period, but his starting point seems only to be justified because it is significant to Massey, rather than for humanity as a whole. (Signs of the Zodiac)

1911: Madame Blavatsky predicted that the reality of a Universal Church would become possible towards the close this century. The Theosophical Society based their calculation for the dawning of the Age of Aquarius on the channeling of the Lord Maitreya by Krishnamurti in 1911. (Madame Blavatsky biography)(Books by Helene Blavatsky)

1921: The Jockey Club of Barcelona received tremendous backing for a prediction that the world would end at this time.

1936: Edgar Cayce stated that during 1936 the terrestrial axis had begun to shift, an exorable process which would activate the transition between world ages. The change would accelerate rapidly, with catastrophic consequences. A well-known American geologist confirmed that this axis shift did indeed begin below the Earth's surface in 1936.
(Edgar Cayce Books)

1945: Alice Bailey determined that the transition to the Age of Aquarius occurred in the 1930s as described in The Externalisation of the Hierarchy. In 1945 the Master Djwhal Khul gave out The Great Invocation which invoked the powers of Light, Love and Divine Purpose irrespective of all religions, and in 1946 Alice Bailey wrote:...the day is dawning when al religions will be regarded as emanating from one great spiritual source. (Alice Bailey books)

1962: Peruvian spiritual messenger Willaru Huayta of the Quechua Nation, a part of the ancient Inca confederation believes that the Age of Aquarius began in February, 1962.

1975: Rudhyar designated 1975 as the time when the Avatar of the New Age would appear. He allowed the possibility that it might not be the Second Coming of Christ anticipated by many, but that the Christ energy could be carried by a series of individuals who would be agents for this message.

1975: A. Woldben in After Nostradamus suggested a range of dates including 1975, 2000, 2023, and 2160. He stated that the transition of world ages is never exact and can take hundreds of years because they constitute a modification in collective consciousness.

1987: In August Jose Arguelles organized The Harmonic Convergence which was a foretaste of the imminent New Age.

1997: Carl Jung was inspired by the work of Nostradamus and supported his contention that the New Age would happen between 1997 and 2000.

2000: There are many prophecies which agree that the Millennium year is 2000, among them those of Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, St. Malachy, Garabandal, Fatima and other Christian prophets. Margaret Hone in The Modern Textbook of Astrology gives the year 2000 as a symbolic date for the new Age. The seer Catharine Emmerich believed that Lucifer would be unchained in 50 or 60 years before the year 2000. The theory of The Divine Plot, by this author, is an astrological model of the historical process expressing multiple cyclic world ages, and it projects a transition to a new world age in the year 2000.

2001: G. Barbarin stated that according to the principle of the Great Week and the six days of a thousand years of the adamic Era, there will follow a day of rest, the Millennium, which from the year 2001 will bring a thousand years of peace. While his prophecy echoes the Seventh Day Adventists, it is also similar to the Hebrew Jubilee Year and Nostradamus Seventh Millennium. (Catholic Jubilee Year) (Jewish Jubilee Year)(Nostradamus Prophecies) (Year of Jubilee)

2012: Terence and Dennis McKenna in The Invisible Landscape advance an idea derived from studies of primitive shamanism and psychoactive drugs that our universe is created by the holographic interaction between two hyper-universes, and the Universe if cyclic and recurrent.Based on extensive computer modelling, they think that humanity will experience a Resurrection into the Light during six days in Ad 2012 when, in the last 135 minutes, eighteen barriers, comparable to the appearance of life, the invention of language or the achievement of immortality will be experienced, thirteen of them in the last millisecond.

2012: Jose Arguelles discovered a system of cycles based on the ancient Mayan calendar and determined that the year 2012 would be the end of the 396 year Baktun of the Transformation of Matter, the collapse of global civilization with a following era of information and crystal-solar technology and galactic synchronization.

2020: Adrian Duncan proposed the Aquarian Mutation chart, a horoscope for the aquarian transition, being the time when Jupiter and Saturn are conjunct in Aquarius for the first time since AD 1404 (21 December 2020, 18:18 GMT, as published in Doing Time on Planet Earth)

2025: The Tibetan Djwhal Khul, speaking through Alice Bailey, stated that the Fourth Ray comes into manifestation in 2025, bringing qualities for preparing the discrimination and balance required for the intellectual and emotional refinement of humanity. Humanity will the be able to function more completely on the intuitional plane.

2059: Rudhyar in The Lunation Cycle.There is a disagreement over this and the following date in Rudhyar's work.

2060: Dane Rudhyar determined that the last precessional Age of Pisces began in 100BC and since a world age is 2160 years, the official Age of Aquarius begins in this year. He considered that the last 10 percent of each age is its Seed Period during which its influence will begin to be felt and experienced. He mentions that in 1844 a young Persian prophet announced the end of the Islamic era and the beginning of the New Age, the avatar of which would announce himself some nineteen years later. One of his original followers proclaimed himself Baba u llah (Glory of God) the Expected One, And , in 1846 the planet Neptune was also discovered.

Rudhyar believed that the new cycle had already started to release it spiritual-archetypal energies, which are now making their way downward into manifestation, producing a radical upheaval of public institutions focusing around the time of the massing of planets in the sign Capricorn, the ruler of large-cale political organizations.This would constitute a 'rite of passage' for all humanity and, in the destruction of existing and faulty ways of perceiving and organizing the world, humanity would discover a new way of life.

2160: Gordon Strachan in Christ and the Cosmos follows the standard precessional age of 2160 years using the birth of Christ as his datum point.

2874: Based on his mathematical analysis of the Great Pyramid passages, Morton Edgar set this date as the completion of Christ's Day of Restitution when the world will have gained all it has lost throughout history.

2915: Edgar Morton stated that in this year, forty years after the preceding date, the Redeemed Race will experience to the full the glorious liberty of the children of God, with complete dominion over the Earth.

The dates and attributions stretch all the way ahead to Robert Hand's use of precessional movement combined with the actual size of the constellation Pisces in the sky, to arrive at the date of AD 2813, and beyond to the year 3550.

It is clear from the preceding that the date of the entrance into the Age of Aquarius is anything but definite and it would seem that almost everyone has his or her version of the exact point. It is certain that the transition is in the process of taking place and it will have a great impact upon all humanity.

[George Le Poi]

Levi H Dowling, in The Aquarian Gospel describes the transition of the Piscean age to Aquarian age in some detail. The book is available as a free .pdf, if you are interested I have a copy I can send you if you are curious. It's a 5meg file tho, just in case you have mail limits.
I got all uptight and worried about the Y2K stuff. Had friends with kids overseas and I had the most comprehensive range of evidence I had turned up, all the little PLC's in all the things like exchanges and water supplies, jails and bank vaults etc.
Put away food, water, fuel, batteries, books on survival stuff. I really took it seriously.
It's didn't amount to much, but it was valuable as an exercise to show myself just how unprepared I was. I learnt a lot of things I hope I'll never have to use, but I'm a lot more at peace with myself now when I start to think, what if? I have a really good first aid kit, I know how to look after it, stuff like that.
I rang our national observatory about the much publicized Jupiter Effect only to be told that the writer realized his mistake and printed a lot less publicized retraction shortly after. I said I would like to watch the end of the world from a good vantage point and had one picked out. The nice lady I spoke to said I would have to wait about 325000 years for the described event to happen, so take big hamper.
The Mayans appear to have prophesied a profound shift in our consciousness that went beyond their ability to predict. They have managed to successfully predict every transit of Venus up to that point. (2012)
I have seen a discourse on the transits of Venus, they are odd in that they occur twice in twelve years then there's a seventy something year gap till it happens again. Each time there's a transit there is a strong feminising influence, and an outbreak of communication. Looking at whats happened to the net since the last transit,(2000) I would be a pains to disagree.
Bless us All
George