What are your thoughts on the 2012 enigma?

[Steven Burnand]

We are coming up to a unique planetary alignment in 2012 when our sun will arrive at it's solar centre.

There are many videos on YouTube about this subject and about the many social and political events now taking place, including evidence of an emerging new world order. What are you thoughts on these enigmatic developments?

For a broader perspective on 2012 and the new world order please go to -

http://2012armageddonnwo.ning.com/

This site offers a vast video library and much more on this subject matter.

Sending best wishes to all…Steve

[Daniel R. P.]

There is evidence that Obama is leading us into a one world government/ socialist/ fascist/ police state. There is evidence that planet x does exist, that the Mayan calender says we all die 2012, I-ching(which is throwing 3 coins divination) predicted the same time the Mayans did, and scientists know the earths polarity switches every 20 thousand some years.
SO WHAT? We die, we die, we live, we live. We will all cope with the reality when it becomes a reality. I myself have prepared to live off the wilderness if need be, and if the conditions dont permit, i do not live quite simply.

[Steven Burnand]

Hi Daniel the more research I do, the more likely it seems something will be happening in or around 2012.

Take the 'Time Wave Zero' computer model that McKenna developed using an algorithm from the I ching and the Web Bot machine that is used to forecast business trends.

BOTH computer models cease giving clear readings in December 2012!

Time Wave Zero - Developed in 1970!

Jay Weidner @ 2012 Conference Part 1

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Jay Weidner's closing words in part 6 are much to the point. My feelings are that working together through these times of rapid change will be our salvation. By all means personally prepare and take responsibility for your own safety, but when it hits the fan our chances for survival are far better in numbers.

That's not let those whom have much to loose through social change drag us down into fear and chaos in one last ditch attempt to regain their delusional structures of power by cashing in on the 2012 mystery.

Steve

[Steven Burnand]

Hi oceanick6, there is no need to say sorry, you are entitled to your own opinion. Having different points of view gives us all, when shared, an all round perspective and better understanding of life and what it is all about.

The New World Order theories go way beyond Obama and Fox News. According to many of these theories there are level of control above the president that choose those for presidents that fit 'their' needs at the time and act as a PR and front man/woman.

Spending many hours viewing an researching the large volumes of material on line and going by the conduct of many of those is high positions of power, I have concluded that there is an agenda and a trend towards more power and control over 'we the people'.

The pace has stepped up enormously since 9/11 and the London bombings. A UK citizen working in the city is viewed on average by 400 cameras per day. Without the support of previous prime ministers and presidents would such obsessive bills/laws have come into being?

Have you or anybody reading this thread tried reversing the information flow and finding out about what your taxes are being spent on in any detail, locally or centrally? The doors are shut and many of the decisions on our well-being and where money is spent are made in secret.

Perhaps one of my biggest concerns is the Federal Reserve and Bank of England, as both are large corporate money lenders and both are 'not' owned by 'we the people'

As the Fed and the Bank of England were the main cause of the recession, it was most alarming to see that no action was taken against them or changing their corrupt ways of managing our money. To see members of the Feds board of directors in high positions of power in Obama's hand picked government team is also an eye opener.

Maybe those greedy souls who turned up to collect their share of the bail out money in their own private jets will change their ways? Maybe the obsession of watching, studying and manipulating the masses in power games, orchestrated by those self proclaimed elites will cease?

My feeling are that all the time 'we the people' follow the old ways, the old ways will prevail.

New social structures need to be designed that distribute power evenly throughout the structure and work with optimum flow and not large blockages. The clues to their design are in the models used in the new physics, such as 'open system theory' 'self organising theory' etc. Some like 'The Orion project' are already working on these ideas.

New skins for new wine. As the book says.

Best intentions to you and all ....Steve

[Skip Press]

And by stating nothing but a general remark that there is "no evidence" we're supposed to take that as gospel? Factually, I could give you a thousand bits of evidence but you in your closed minded unthinking way would simply dismiss all of it if a single bit of it had appeared on "fox channel." Like Bernie Goldberg's "A Slobbering Love Affair" book. He's not leading us anywhere - he's just trying real hard, fueled by the insanity of Saul Alinsky and Frank Marshall, communists who hated America. Try reading Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" which Obama admired - it's dedicated to Satan.

The blindness of you Obamaniacs is astonishing.

[Skip Press]

You're straight party line and you're anonymous. I'm neither. Obama's a socialist whose most prominent influences were Frank Marshall, an avowed communist in Hawaii mentioned in his book only by his first name because Obama didn't want to reveal himself for what he actually is in that book. His next big influence was Saul Alinsky who dedicated "Rules for Radicals" to Satan. These people are creeps, they're anything but spiritual, the thread is about spiritual, and you're boring as hell with your political bile. I've given you some specifics in a reply and all you had was "Republican lies."

If you intend to discuss actual changes that will take place in 2012 and the spiritual future of this world, climb out of your socialist ignorance and start thinking for yourself and make some sense.

[Skip Press]

Well, thanks for ponying up on who you really are. As usual, you had no argument to specific points. And then you try to lecture me after your sarcasm. Typical of the unreasoned.

[joe weaver]

LOL....

The changes of 2012 are not all "spiritual". The changes of the shift are effecting everything in our world including the economy AND government. Everything is connected.

There is a control system in our world beyond what most think. Within time, the truth will come out.The lies and misuse of governmental power will show itself.

The controllers know what is happening and what is coming. They are doing their best to keep people living in fear. Through this fear they then have control. The New World Order is "real". The more people live in denial of this the more people will continue to believe in the illusion for which is being presented to them.

Everyone needs to "WAKE THE F*** UP" and stop bickering around. We need to work together. The more people on both sides of the fence continue to mess around the longer the changes of freedom will take.

Everyone needs to focus on "LOVE" and awaken your consciousness to the real world. Lets leave all this discussion about government control aside and focus on ourselves. Everyone's views and opinions are perfect. There is no need for anger or arguing about someone else's view. If you do, you are only dis-empowering yourself and that is exactly what the controllers want you to do. Focus on LOVE and unite!

Peace, Joe

[joe weaver]

What I meant to say was, The New World Order will become "real" unless we do something about it,

[Zen Benefiel]

Your viewpoint betrays you, Joe. You've got some real challenges with pointing fingers, eh? Be careful. You've got three pointing back at you from each hand...

[Skip Press]

Which one is it this week? The Illuminati? The Bilderbergers? The Thule Society? I like to keep up with who the secret masters are. Can you subscribe to an online newsletter?

[Tom Flower]

Skipper !!! It is a jungle out there and some times you gotta feed the monkeys. Offer it up. Go easy on us poor hapless souls. We just wanna be free and happy. Every path has to have Heart. We are doing the best we can. I promise you that much. We are all doing the best we can according to each of our own limited beliefs.
If you feel we are mis-guided, then share your knowledge so that we can awaken to a greater truth than what we currently hold. We are all doing the best we can. Help us if you can.

[Skip Press]

The fact is, The Intention Experiment works. Concentrated prayer, intention, unified effort works. As Thomas Jefferson said, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. If there are people anathema to the betterment of humanity, expose them. State specifically who they are. Reveal their specific actions if you know them. To put forth a nebulous "boogeymen are real" idea, however, is harmful. If you create the dark shadow of doubt in someone's mind, it's not difficult for more shadows of uncertainty to attach to it. And that is harmful. It's similarly somewhat foolish to believe in politicians who pretend spirituality to fool the masses who want a palliative, a "this one will make it all all right and spread the wealth" solution. That's socialism, which has been creeping its death into America and is now being reversed. Socialism is anathema to things like prayer groups and The Intention Experiment. So may be things like the war in Iraq, but fighting against terrorists who want to subjugate the entire world into unthinking Islamic servitude is not. Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for evil to prosper in the world is for good men to do nothing. Things like The Intention Experiment should not be sullied with political argument and the common social traps of modern society. The concentration should be on unified, directed spiritual and mental processes that work. Together, we are the solution. Dispersed by goofy, divisive, non-specific ideas, we are chaos.