Has anybody given any thought about 2012 apocalypse?

[Steven Burnand]

We are coming up to a unique planetary alignment in 2012 and our sun will also be in its solar centre. There are many videos on YouTube about this subject matter and planet x! There are also social and political changes taking place and rumour of a New World Order fascist state. Is there substance in these rumours?

Many paint a very bleak picture, with little hope and some are taking positive action on a social side. Please look for your self, to confirm what's mentioned above and reply below.

Zeitgeist: Addendum

Could 'one' of the universal laws called 'Intention' be used to change such large scale events?
Are there any people already contemplating or working on such a projects?

Are there any people working on alternative social systems and systems of exchange and barter?

If so please leave some feedback on this thread so others can link up.

This all sounds a bit odd, however if a modicum of what is being reported on Youtube and elsewhere comes true we are in for some very difficult times ahead and we only have 4 years left to formulate a solution!

Feedback and creative ideas from non academics and academics is valued!

For a broader perspective on 2012 and the New World Order that is beyond the scope of this thread please go to -

http://2012armageddonnwo.ning.com/

This site offers a vast video library and much more on this subject matter.

Sending best wishes to all…Steve

[Steven Burnand]

Hi Judy these are both good videos and its important to keep in touch with the outer agenda as it has been taken over to a large extent by those that have become clinically insane. I believe that its down to the insanity of the few and cooperation of the masses to follow, be it reluctantly, is the cause of a decline in society. Its not that all the people go mad, its more that their self appointed leaders have gone mad and they do not know it.

Power and money not only corrupts it turns those pursue them into something that’s not human. Having these qualities as markers of success in a social structure is ‘total’ insanity as more often than not they are achieved through dishonesty, deceit, greed and abuse of others.

Voting for this social minority to become our prime ministers, presidents and leaders is absolutely barking as they have become as detached from the collective as they could possibly be and in no way shape or form are they able to truly relate to the another persons needs when all their needs have been fulfilled.

Accepting a voting system that is driven to success by a candidates ability to fund him self or her self into office via the media makes it VERY easy for those with the money and power to stay in power as they are able to fund the media and even own the media that’s going to propagate their half truths and false promises.

The world may be looking at the American government with disbelief; however the world is also looking at the American citizens with their pioneering spirit and a love of freedom and justice. How many films that challenge the corrupt government and monetary systems do you see being produced by countries other than the US? Maybe ‘how the west was won’ will take on a new meaning in years to come? Perhaps the answer will be ‘by the people for the people’ and not by the governments and their armies for the self appointed elite? :o)

Over here in the UK there is a ‘very’ quite revolution taking place and its called grumbling. :o) The Poll Tax was the last civil unrest as people paying the most taxes under the old system of rates (as they owned big houses) had ‘massive’ tax decreases and people in the smaller houses had ‘huge’ tax increases, however the Poll Tax was renamed to Council Tax and all was well in the land of nod.

The multitude had failed to notice that those in the highest income bracket with the biggest houses where still paying ‘considerably’ less than before and those at the lower end where paying ‘considerably’ more. How did we all get duped into not seeing this at the time? Even Daren Brown would been scratching his head at this trick as it was one that tricked a nation.

A number house owners, in one of the more wealthier areas of Brighton, now had a ten fold decrease in what they needed to pay and on the old system of rates and on the other end of the spectrum those that rented their accommodation as they could not afford to buy had to now pay the tax for their land lords!

In addition this tax system does not take into account any out goings or a person’s ability to pay! Pensioners and some of the poorest members of our communities have been sent to prison since this new taxing system came into being and they would still owe the money when they where released.

I wanted to end on a lighter note and that is the jobs worth culture that’s now beginning to dominate the UK. The dustmen did not empty my bin this week as the bin was not on the edge of my property! I live in a house that’s so small that if you swung a cat it would have serious concussion! My front garden is about one and half metres wide by two and half metres long, so they would have to had wheeled my wheelie bin about a metre and a half across perfectly flat paving stones to the road!

Good intentions to all, even dustmen and council tax collectors!

Steve

[Tom Flower]

Lisbeth,
The elite ruling beaurecrats know that it is a jungle out there and they gotta feed the monkeys once in awhile. Spend it well. Is it taxable as income ?I get my economic stimulus peanuts in July. I think I will stockpile a little extra food with the money.
Peace.
Tom

[Zen Benefiel]

Wow, that's the whole enchilada... niiice.

[Judy Lapointe]

let me get this right, are you telling me that you are jailed if you are poor?

[Steven Burnand]

Yes you are right it’s a crime to be poor in the UK and not be able to pay your council tax and YES they either send the bailiffs around or sentence you to prison or both! If you go to jail you still owe the money on your release!

The bailiffs seize your furniture, kid’s toys and anything they take a fancy to and sell off your worldly possessions at ‘private’ auctions held during the working day. Can imagine this situation, the bidders would consist of all their friends and family and other people that they are doing dodgy business with.

Needless to say the items that they have seized make a pittance of what they are really worth and what they would have fetched at a normal public auction held on evenings and weekends! On top of this the bailiff then takes a huge fee from the profits of the auction for costs.

IT’S A ‘LEGALISED’ SCAM!

If you make any enquiries about the council tax system, you get little or no replies and over a period of time whilst answering or more to the point not answering your questions the people that you are speaking to appear to change the rules as they go along.

This is made possible as the rules and regulations are kept secret and when a small fragment is released it’s written down in legal jargon or so small that its imposible to relate it with anything else.

So it’s not only the people of the USA that are being scammed! I would guess it has become world wide abuse, by those that are abusing their powers.

There is one lady in the UK that has fault the council tax system tooth and nail exposing the cases of the elderly and poor that have either lost all of their family possessions or paid the penultimate price of a jail sentence.

Here is her web site see for your self and read about this grossly unfair and inhuman taxation system. See all of the other taxes they are bring in to absorb every last bit of cash.

http://www.isitfair.co.uk/

This is another great site with lots more about the scams being legally played on the UK citizen as most, if not all have been sanctioned by our government.

http://www.rip-off.co.uk/

The glass ceiling is up there or is that the roof is out there?

Watch this video


Search under council tax for more.

Steve

[Judy Lapointe]

blow me away, I can't believe it. everything is so unbelievable yet it's true. These guys are getting way out of control and have to be stopped. This is a global issue, it effects us all because here in america WE ARE NEXT, in this crazy new world order b.s. I've heard they are building jail camps all over the US, this must be the reason.

So I have a question, who is Oboma, who is controlling him? the very fact he is still alive means someone in this crazy power is allowing him to live, which opens the door to the fact he is also controlled by other sources. What a perfect plan to put someone in place who can fool the entire globe thinking he is for the people yet the possibilities are so much worse.

We sure need to change this planet, thank God for Planet X lol lets just hope all these fools think going underground is the place to be. Looking at these mountains in Canada they do say they were created when an astroroid hit the planet. Would be kinda good to see them melted in with rock lol.

Judy

[Magus]

Judy,

Just read this, you asked who is behind Obama?

Its Rockefeller...

See:-

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/29/717864.aspx


Paul...

[JohnM]

Steve

Steve, I have to say that in spite of the UK council tax and other actions in both the UK and the USA that are corrupting democratic government, the world has never before achieved this level of population groups that are living so well. Still, too many groups are in states of poverty and disarray that are unnecessary in a world that has nearly mastered production and wealth distribution as we have. At every step in this magnificent progression there is however opportunity for corruption. Such reversals can create local and extended disasters that lead to wealth deterioration for both the victims and eventually the corrupters. Short sightedness can overwhelm an entire region to nobody’s ultimate benefit. We are seeing this in parts of rural and urban USA where whole communities have been nearly abandoned (especially by young people in search of a better life) due to misuse and abuse. These conditions have been brought about by deceit, promises not kept and intentions not revealed. Group intentionality of a different sort needs to be directed against this deceit in all its forms. Full disclosure should be the goal that we strive for. In the US Congress they call it “transparency”, which is actually more word than deed. Many that are in government do not like this environment either. The active complainers are called “whistleblowers” and more of them are appearing. Several have written books on this dangerous issue. In order to slay this dragon, we need to eschew deceit in both our personal and public actions. Parts of our educational system need prompt attention since they are now running on half-truths. The US Congress disparages itself, suggesting that government is just limping along in a disordered state. This provides opportunity to advance a hero to fix things such as perhaps a corporate executive or two. The recent US primary election upset showed that voters are wary of the “regulars” and are casting their lot with the “irregulars” who somewhat appear to boldly clarify the problems. If the candidates that are finally elected act on their statements or garner the influence to act where it is needed, we may be able to resume our progressive advance. JohnM

[Judy Lapointe]

I love it

Judy

[JohnM]

Lisbeth, I don't have to tread water yet but it's nice to know that I can. The OZ thing is much more than a pair of ruby slippers - a lot is going on there. There is much detail in which to find the Devil if one is looking for it. The details are most important, not only in OZ but also on the yellow brick road. Washington will be interesting - perhaps an emerging expression of American populism. This board too is wringing out some details. Let's all keep the dialog moving. JohnM

[Judy Lapointe]

The information I'm watching makes me really wonder about Oboma, if nobody is actually elected, all sides are pre-purchased is he ever singing a song I'm prepared to believe. This should really be an interesting 4 years ahead.

I've just started to realize the opposition of having my water (which thanks to this intention experiment the water will NOT HAVE FLOURIDE AND WILL BE IONIZED) in schools. What better way to get kids to want something, then to tell them they can't have it lol.

I wish all of you could experience just once second of my experiences since drinking this water. This is the Intention Experiment and they've done plenty of experiments using water. This is really the most powerful shit I've experienced in my entire life and I will be 50 this year. Just the concept is life changing and not just by me but by strangers who are now coming to my door wishing to learn more and more each day. This is so important with what we are facing. This shit is real. I've experienced the court systems and they are very corrupt, just the same as politics and police forces. There is no doubt there is a planet headed our way, I just don't know when and what that means to us all. That is only my personal opinion and the truth must be realized and judged individually.
From experiencing the concept I started using just to over come a life time of abuse, I am totally detached from everything. I still love but I love more and I know what is healthy. I'm totally detached from possessions and expected events to happen, who'da thought. All I see is potentials in following a road that's fillled with everything I love. I'm currently being controlled not to speak about something, but I see if I speak there really is no threat and there is even more potentials if I do what I please and not allow myself to be controlled. It really feels like living in this quantum world where all you see is potentials.

All the advice I'm hearing from experts regarding everything we are talking about, state to just know who you are, be aware. I know for fact, from my own personal experiences and those who have been introduced to this are able to create anything as long as it's in line with their purpose. You probably can make anything happen, but what I'm finding is it's working perfectly if you truly are inline.

The beauty work of all this is you have to make a wish, wish big and wish for your deepest desires. To know yourself you must first learn of your own personal powers. I might sound waky but keep reading it will make sense because we do it all the time and I strongly believe the more people who are aware of this the better we are able to handle the next 4 years what ever that may bring. I don't want to come across as I'm trying to sell something, I'm telling you the concept free.

finding your greatest wish that is inline with your purpose will feel right to you, you'll know. once you think you have the perfect wish for yourself, feel what it feels like if you experienced it today and during every minute for the rest of your life. The second you are living your life as if you have your wish is the time it enters into you life.

The importance of detaching opens this quantum world of potentials that you see all around you. Why, because you aren't attached to negative experiences and those negative experiences is where you will find everything you need. If you never are effected by the negative experiences, your language changes, your more presentable for opportunities, you find help where you would least expect it. Ultimately you cannot be controlled if you have no attachments that can be used to control. If you feel as if you had your wish, the need for the wish is gone, you don't need it, it doesn't matter to you anymore and all of a sudden when you least expect it you find yourself doing exactly what you wished for.

I was having this conversation with this young girl and she didn't want to loose her attachments, she wanted the car, the house the vacations and didn't want to give all those things up. But the opposite is true, the law of attraction works stronger if you eliminate all NEEDS for the attraction. If you feel it already, you are in line with the attraction because you are actually living it just by the feelings you sustain.

If we can learn how to make our wildest dreams come true I strongly believe we will develop and fully understand our true potentials and I can't help but believe it will help us all know ourselves better and be fully aware and not be controlled.

If anyone wants to learn more, they have a dream or just want more information I'd love to offer you more as long as I have the time. Today a gentleman who keeps coming by my house, who asked me a few months ago what "The magic in my bottles" is all about. I put a sign on my car with my website and a slogan "Magic in a Bottle". This is an alcoholic who was pointing to his can of beer while he was asking me this question. It's two months later and today he told me for the first time in 10 years his liver is not swollen when he wakes up and he doesn't experience the pain. He didn't wish for that, just the concept of how strong his mind is made it happen, I told him a bit of how this can help your health and it' worked.

Love to all
Judy

[Steven Burnand]

Hi John, you are right the standard of living for us in the West looks good on the surface, however if you take the time, which you and I and many more have done, to stop and study for a while what is really going on, there appears to be no substance underneath.

When I purchase cheap electrical equipment in the UK the product is only cheap, because of its manufacturing costs and its manufacturing’s costs are only cheap because of the exploitation of cheap labour. So indirectly we are taking part in exploiting those that are less fortunate. I see this as bad karma.

I have always believed in one world and consider all man made boundaries arbitrary! :o)
The old saying is to follow the money really makes sense when investigating corruption and much was revealed about the twin towers massacre using this methodology. In studying this incident and the London incident, I can see that so many questions have been left answered.

Taking a policy out on both towers being attacked at the same time shortly before the 911 event and turning millions of pounds of investment in the purchase of the twin towers that where in-cased inside with thousands of tons of asbestos, that would taken thousand if not millions to clean out, and turning it into a several billion dollar insurance payout is suspicious enough alone, without the overwhelming evidence of the of the steel being cut by explosives and the towers falling in a straight line in free fall and that both of these effects where contra to the known laws of physics.

Who knows how many fatalities that deadly asbestos dust cloud will bring about in years to come? The effect of Asbestosis takes years to emerge!

I have little or no faith in the current systems of law and social services as they have been permeated by a group of people that have come to believe that they are living in a dog eat dog world and this is the only way to behave if they wish to get on.
Their version of getting on is totally alien to me, so needless to say in their world I have not gotten on! :o)

The only way forward as I see is to build new models from the ground upwards with the people running the various sections of the structure being in control, though the merit of their actions and ability to do, as opposed to the old systems ways of promotion through being friends, family and favourites.

The new systems will not need middle management or project management as the people that are doing their part will have the competence to manage their part by themselves and their own people skills to relate their parts to the other parts being managed by other people.

Nepotism is so destructive to the well being of the whole as it puts those with little knowledge of the workings of the lower generic levels of a system in charge of steering and directing vital parts of system that they do not understand!

Many miss-takes are made, with nepotism at the heart of the navigational system, making the whole system a very inefficient system and eventually leading to its demise through more energy out than in. Those that have sneaked their way in are literally killing the host from within and in many ways these people’s actions are like those of an energy vampire that eventually absorbs too much of its hosts life force. These are the Raith! :o)

This process is speeded up as those in charge of the navigation system lack the skills and the knowledge to navigate and they are frightened to expose themselves to those at the ‘coal face’ ‘metaphorically speaking’ that have the skills, as they are using these skills on a day to day basis in their work! That old chestnut, spoken about by middle management, in that it’s not necessary to know the lower parts of a process that you manage it is simply not true!

Over recent years there has become an ever increasing gap between those with the knowledge and those with the power! The gaps are getting so wide that many of our social and economic government systems and corporate systems are going into entropy.

I believe that the lack of transparency in most of our day to day working environments is not only down to the lies and deceit about money it’s also down to the extreme incompetence of those that have manipulated themselves into positions of power. This is known as the Peter Principle and there is a book by that name in print that’s well worth a read.

I also believe that promoting incompetence suits upper management as the middle incompetent layer acts as a buffer and an escape goat for the major incompetence’s that happen at senior management levels.

It’s good to here that the US citizens are waking up to fact that ‘closed systems’ like the one I described above do not work not work and by design are highly likely to never work as they will always be open to exploitation, abuse and the miss guidance by those with a lack of ability to steer the system as they understand little or nothing about the system.

The old apprentice system has so many merits, as a person would learn their trade from the bottom upwards and would only be able to move up to the next generic level of power and control, through a demonstrations of competence in the power and control of the lower levels.

As those that have reached the higher generic levels would understand the lower generic levels through doing them, their ability to guide and to understand the whole would be enormously increased in comparison to the nepotism way, spoken about above.

In this bottom up model those at the higher levels would also have less fear in exposing their lack of ability to do, to the lower levels, as they would have done the work at the lower levels themselves.

Here is the making of a healthy feedback loop that will increase the efficiency and energy of the whole by refining its guidance mechanisms. This is the essence of an open system!
Thanks John, insightful reply and an interesting subject to introduce open and closed systems theory into.

Closed systems go into entropy and open systems thrive, can you guess what model most of our current government systems are based on? :o)

To do or not to do is the question? Whether it be nobler to BS, back stab, act aloof and bully or humbler to understand what you are doing at the level what you are doing and the levels below what you are doing and to see yourself as part of a whole. The perceived whole is greater than the sum of the parts as it has become a part at a higher generic level.