Has anybody given any thought about 2012 apocalypse?

[Steven Burnand]

We are coming up to a unique planetary alignment in 2012 and our sun will also be in its solar centre. There are many videos on YouTube about this subject matter and planet x! There are also social and political changes taking place and rumour of a New World Order fascist state. Is there substance in these rumours?

Many paint a very bleak picture, with little hope and some are taking positive action on a social side. Please look for your self, to confirm what's mentioned above and reply below.

Zeitgeist: Addendum

Could 'one' of the universal laws called 'Intention' be used to change such large scale events?
Are there any people already contemplating or working on such a projects?

Are there any people working on alternative social systems and systems of exchange and barter?

If so please leave some feedback on this thread so others can link up.

This all sounds a bit odd, however if a modicum of what is being reported on Youtube and elsewhere comes true we are in for some very difficult times ahead and we only have 4 years left to formulate a solution!

Feedback and creative ideas from non academics and academics is valued!

For a broader perspective on 2012 and the New World Order that is beyond the scope of this thread please go to -

http://2012armageddonnwo.ning.com/

This site offers a vast video library and much more on this subject matter.

Sending best wishes to all…Steve

[Adam]

I agree, Bill, it's going to be amazing! What a wonderful time to be alive1

[Deborah Rankin]

Yes, non-judgement is difficult, but essential to overcoming the illusion of separateness that has kept us locked in a futile loop of competition and all other misguided ego based activities. Materialsim has reached it's most grotesque expressions, human arrogance has reeked ruin upon this beautiful earthly realm and her blessed inhabitants. Gnosis Kardias- knowledge of the heart, that is the key. I share your sense of excitement. I feel that over the past several years that my own growth has accelerated and that has required me to undergo ordeals that I at times felt were not survivable, yet I could not be help but be in awe of the profound spiritual forces at work. ' dark night of the soul' - at least for me, a prerequisite to the spiritual preparation required of us at this most exciting time in our planet's history - miniscule yet holy within the far grander scheme of 'things'

[K Jo]

I am with you on this as well. I've been keeping up with Oprah's webcasts on A New Earth. It's all along the same line of thought. Isn't it about time there was a shift in consciousness on this planet? It has to get better...
Peace

[Lynn Marlowe]

Aren't the scientology people so worried that they are building underground bomb type shelters like was done in the 50's? The mormons also keep dehydrated food for 1 or 2 years or more just in case thing, so it seems much of society (I'm sure our big political people) are preparing for something that they wish to go underground for. Could just be the usual hit the button by accident thing or someone thinks they know something most of us don't. Not to be an alarmist as I feel our faith will put us where God wishes us to be and I'm hoping for a type of mutation where we can access more spiritually &/or dimensionally. Keep with good works and meditation and prayer. Hugs.

[Judy Lapointe]

well the beauty part of all that is the fact that any leaders who feel they can protect themselves, will not have a group to lead if they aren't focused on the bigger picture. People of wealth will no longer have that wealth and we will all be equal.

I do believe something is shifting, just the magnetics is making a reverse and this has been seen with Jupiter's storm shifting direction when it happened. Yes I do believe many of us will die, but the good news about that fact is WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE eventually, so really what's to fear Life? Life is death, it happens even though we are not one with the realization. What is death anyways? Changing dimensions? Vibrating differently? Light vibrations can't be seen, but we see light. Actually the only way we see a table, chair, car, how to run the car all depends on the mix of light with matter. We couldn't see anything or use a car for that matter if there wasn't light bouncing off it.

Judy

[Gail K]

Steve: There are tons of information about 2012...and as the following suggests, everyone has their own idea as to which way it might go. I copied the following from a site that I googled. You can do a lot of reading and come to your own conclusions. For myself, I'm studying the Alice Bailey books at this particular time. One thing to keep in mind is that any age has a transition time. If I'm correct, it can be up to or around 100 years. I can't remember exactly. I certainly don't subscribe to the Christian idea of Armegeddon where the "believers" are going to be lifted up and the rest of us are going to "hell"......

Among the more obvious suggestions for the beginning of the Age of Aquarius are the following:

1898: According to Hindu chronology, the Kali Yuga (Age of Iron) began in the year 3102 BC. As the yuga has a duration of 5000 years, its end occurred in 1898.

1904: Aleister Crowley in the Book of the Law, dictated to him by a discarnate Egyptian entity, proposed April 1904 in Cairo.when the channeling occurred, as the beginning of the New Aeon ruled by Horus, the solar god of ancient Egypt.

1905: Gerald Massey used the standard precessional period of 2160 years for each zodiac sign of 30 degrees and assumed a starting point of 255 BC, which meant that the beginning of the Age of Aquarius was in 1905. He used the correct precessional period, but his starting point seems only to be justified because it is significant to Massey, rather than for humanity as a whole. (Signs of the Zodiac)

1911: Madame Blavatsky predicted that the reality of a Universal Church would become possible towards the close this century. The Theosophical Society based their calculation for the dawning of the Age of Aquarius on the channeling of the Lord Maitreya by Krishnamurti in 1911. (Madame Blavatsky biography)(Books by Helene Blavatsky)

1921: The Jockey Club of Barcelona received tremendous backing for a prediction that the world would end at this time.

1936: Edgar Cayce stated that during 1936 the terrestrial axis had begun to shift, an exorable process which would activate the transition between world ages. The change would accelerate rapidly, with catastrophic consequences. A well-known American geologist confirmed that this axis shift did indeed begin below the Earth's surface in 1936.
(Edgar Cayce Books)

1945: Alice Bailey determined that the transition to the Age of Aquarius occurred in the 1930s as described in The Externalisation of the Hierarchy. In 1945 the Master Djwhal Khul gave out The Great Invocation which invoked the powers of Light, Love and Divine Purpose irrespective of all religions, and in 1946 Alice Bailey wrote:...the day is dawning when al religions will be regarded as emanating from one great spiritual source. (Alice Bailey books)

1962: Peruvian spiritual messenger Willaru Huayta of the Quechua Nation, a part of the ancient Inca confederation believes that the Age of Aquarius began in February, 1962.

1975: Rudhyar designated 1975 as the time when the Avatar of the New Age would appear. He allowed the possibility that it might not be the Second Coming of Christ anticipated by many, but that the Christ energy could be carried by a series of individuals who would be agents for this message.

1975: A. Woldben in After Nostradamus suggested a range of dates including 1975, 2000, 2023, and 2160. He stated that the transition of world ages is never exact and can take hundreds of years because they constitute a modification in collective consciousness.

1987: In August Jose Arguelles organized The Harmonic Convergence which was a foretaste of the imminent New Age.

1997: Carl Jung was inspired by the work of Nostradamus and supported his contention that the New Age would happen between 1997 and 2000.

2000: There are many prophecies which agree that the Millennium year is 2000, among them those of Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, St. Malachy, Garabandal, Fatima and other Christian prophets. Margaret Hone in The Modern Textbook of Astrology gives the year 2000 as a symbolic date for the new Age. The seer Catharine Emmerich believed that Lucifer would be unchained in 50 or 60 years before the year 2000. The theory of The Divine Plot, by this author, is an astrological model of the historical process expressing multiple cyclic world ages, and it projects a transition to a new world age in the year 2000.

2001: G. Barbarin stated that according to the principle of the Great Week and the six days of a thousand years of the adamic Era, there will follow a day of rest, the Millennium, which from the year 2001 will bring a thousand years of peace. While his prophecy echoes the Seventh Day Adventists, it is also similar to the Hebrew Jubilee Year and Nostradamus Seventh Millennium. (Catholic Jubilee Year) (Jewish Jubilee Year)(Nostradamus Prophecies) (Year of Jubilee)

2012: Terence and Dennis McKenna in The Invisible Landscape advance an idea derived from studies of primitive shamanism and psychoactive drugs that our universe is created by the holographic interaction between two hyper-universes, and the Universe if cyclic and recurrent.Based on extensive computer modelling, they think that humanity will experience a Resurrection into the Light during six days in Ad 2012 when, in the last 135 minutes, eighteen barriers, comparable to the appearance of life, the invention of language or the achievement of immortality will be experienced, thirteen of them in the last millisecond.

2012: Jose Arguelles discovered a system of cycles based on the ancient Mayan calendar and determined that the year 2012 would be the end of the 396 year Baktun of the Transformation of Matter, the collapse of global civilization with a following era of information and crystal-solar technology and galactic synchronization.

2020: Adrian Duncan proposed the Aquarian Mutation chart, a horoscope for the aquarian transition, being the time when Jupiter and Saturn are conjunct in Aquarius for the first time since AD 1404 (21 December 2020, 18:18 GMT, as published in Doing Time on Planet Earth)

2025: The Tibetan Djwhal Khul, speaking through Alice Bailey, stated that the Fourth Ray comes into manifestation in 2025, bringing qualities for preparing the discrimination and balance required for the intellectual and emotional refinement of humanity. Humanity will the be able to function more completely on the intuitional plane.

2059: Rudhyar in The Lunation Cycle.There is a disagreement over this and the following date in Rudhyar's work.

2060: Dane Rudhyar determined that the last precessional Age of Pisces began in 100BC and since a world age is 2160 years, the official Age of Aquarius begins in this year. He considered that the last 10 percent of each age is its Seed Period during which its influence will begin to be felt and experienced. He mentions that in 1844 a young Persian prophet announced the end of the Islamic era and the beginning of the New Age, the avatar of which would announce himself some nineteen years later. One of his original followers proclaimed himself Baba u llah (Glory of God) the Expected One, And , in 1846 the planet Neptune was also discovered.

Rudhyar believed that the new cycle had already started to release it spiritual-archetypal energies, which are now making their way downward into manifestation, producing a radical upheaval of public institutions focusing around the time of the massing of planets in the sign Capricorn, the ruler of large-cale political organizations.This would constitute a 'rite of passage' for all humanity and, in the destruction of existing and faulty ways of perceiving and organizing the world, humanity would discover a new way of life.

2160: Gordon Strachan in Christ and the Cosmos follows the standard precessional age of 2160 years using the birth of Christ as his datum point.

2874: Based on his mathematical analysis of the Great Pyramid passages, Morton Edgar set this date as the completion of Christ's Day of Restitution when the world will have gained all it has lost throughout history.

2915: Edgar Morton stated that in this year, forty years after the preceding date, the Redeemed Race will experience to the full the glorious liberty of the children of God, with complete dominion over the Earth.

The dates and attributions stretch all the way ahead to Robert Hand's use of precessional movement combined with the actual size of the constellation Pisces in the sky, to arrive at the date of AD 2813, and beyond to the year 3550.

It is clear from the preceding that the date of the entrance into the Age of Aquarius is anything but definite and it would seem that almost everyone has his or her version of the exact point. It is certain that the transition is in the process of taking place and it will have a great impact upon all humanity.

[George Le Poi]

Levi H Dowling, in The Aquarian Gospel describes the transition of the Piscean age to Aquarian age in some detail. The book is available as a free .pdf, if you are interested I have a copy I can send you if you are curious. It's a 5meg file tho, just in case you have mail limits.
I got all uptight and worried about the Y2K stuff. Had friends with kids overseas and I had the most comprehensive range of evidence I had turned up, all the little PLC's in all the things like exchanges and water supplies, jails and bank vaults etc.
Put away food, water, fuel, batteries, books on survival stuff. I really took it seriously.
It's didn't amount to much, but it was valuable as an exercise to show myself just how unprepared I was. I learnt a lot of things I hope I'll never have to use, but I'm a lot more at peace with myself now when I start to think, what if? I have a really good first aid kit, I know how to look after it, stuff like that.
I rang our national observatory about the much publicized Jupiter Effect only to be told that the writer realized his mistake and printed a lot less publicized retraction shortly after. I said I would like to watch the end of the world from a good vantage point and had one picked out. The nice lady I spoke to said I would have to wait about 325000 years for the described event to happen, so take big hamper.
The Mayans appear to have prophesied a profound shift in our consciousness that went beyond their ability to predict. They have managed to successfully predict every transit of Venus up to that point. (2012)
I have seen a discourse on the transits of Venus, they are odd in that they occur twice in twelve years then there's a seventy something year gap till it happens again. Each time there's a transit there is a strong feminising influence, and an outbreak of communication. Looking at whats happened to the net since the last transit,(2000) I would be a pains to disagree.
Bless us All
George

[Steven Burnand]

Hi George,

I have just downloaded a copy of the ‘The Aquarian Gospel’, a large text as you say, so will take a bit of time to go through.

Yes, an awareness of just how fragile our present way of living is, with its high dependence on food and water being, supplied plus many living on a monthly wage cycle, it would not take a disaster the likes of those described in the 2012 scenarios to create total anarchy and breakdown! Take the resent events in New Orleans, social break down occurred in under a week!

So a supply of tins, batteries and alternative cooking and heating methods are in mind common sense!

Can you expand more on the Astrology, as this sounds very interesting? Is there anything in the astrological charts for 2012? It’s an area that I have not looked into, although I do believe that IF astrology was understood it would truly be the Holy Grail.
Perhaps your free copy of The Aquarian Gospel could be posted as an attachment to this thread? My copy is somewhat smaller and does not contain an index, so harder to refer to.

Survival skills booklets and pdf,s are also valuable as they contain many of the skills lost to most of us.

Steve

[George Le Poi]

Here it is... enjoy.
I think the graphic on the cover might be affecting the size, I had a smaller one but it didn't contain the preface, which is pretty material to understanding the boo and it's contents.
If I was told I could pass from this life taking 1 material thing, or one body of information, I believe this would be my choice.
All the best
George.

[Steven Burnand]

Thanks George, I have downloaded file and added the link to my favourites. I eat books for breakfast so will read through, shortly!
Best regards
Steve

[George Le Poi]

If you dont want to download
Here's an interesting link that indexes the text of the Gospel
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/index.htm
It has the preface as well.
All the best
George.

[Zen Benefiel]

This came across my desktop....

2012 - There are striking parallels between a diversity of cultures relating to 2012 and there are many world views available to us.

Emissaries from many different traditions will speak about the beliefs & prophesies of their culture.

Hopi Predict a 25yr period of purification followed by End of Fourth World and beginning of the Fifth.

Mayans Call it the ‘end days’ or the end of time as we know it.

Maoris Say that as the veils dissolve there will be a merging of the physical & spiritual worlds.

Zulu Believe that the whole world will be turned upside down.

Hindus Kali Yuga (end time of man). The Coming of Kalki & critical mass of Enlightened Ones.

Incas Call it the ‘Age of Meeting Ourselves Again’.

Aztec Call this the Time of the Sixth Sun. A time of transformation. Creation of new race.

Dogon Say that the spaceship of the visitors, the Nommo, will return in the form of a blue star

Pueblo Acknowledge it’ll be the emergence into the Fifth World

Cherokee Their ancient calendar ends exactly at 2012 as does the Mayan calendar.

Tibetan Kalachakra teachings are prophesies left by Buddha predicting Coming of the Golden Age.

Egypt According to the Great Pyramid (stone calendar), present time cycle ends in year 2012 AD

What do you believe will happen in 2012...if anything?....or 2010 or 2013?

Will the morning of winter solstice 2012 appear like any other morning....

Will we experience ourselves as more expansive or telepathic?

'' ....a telepathic interplay which will eventually annihilate time'' (Alice Bailey)

''....translation or dematerialisation to another sphere of the Universe'' (Teilhard de Chardin)

''....A matter-antimatter implosion leaving a mutation of matter to photoniform. Our minds will unite like the fragments of a hologram.'' (Terence McKenna)

''....As the Schumann resonance increases to 13Hz, Gaia goes from Alpha to Beta frequency & wakes up. Increasing tryptamine & beta-carboline neuro-chemistry allows us a telepathic communion, as we become used to our light bodies in preparation for the magnetic pole reversal when there will be a mass out-of-body-experience.'' (Geoff Stray)

''....Evolutionary quantum leap. Human / ET interface & the arrival of a new species or kingdom on Earth.'' (Jon King)

''.....In 2012, Earth¹s axis will tilt, along with a polar reversal, causing terrestrial and celestial grids to re-align, the pineal eye will perceive beyond ultraviolet,& we¹ll ascend to the next dimension beyond time.'' (Moira Timms)

''....The human race will unify as a single circuit. Solar & galactic sound transmissions will inundate the planetary field. A current charging both poles will race across the skies, connecting the polar auroras in a single brilliant flash.'' (Jose Arguelles)

''....A moment of quantum awakening. A nanosecond will be stretched into infinity and become non-time, during which we will all experience full consciousness of who we are and why we have incarnated. If we choose to return to human form, we will do so in an awakened state, as 'reflective cells¹ of the starmaker.'' (Ken Carey)

or is it

"...A simple shift in consciousness where we have thrown out ALL FANTASIES that cause us to DO HARM to real life (including our-selves), allowing Man and Woman to once again co-create real life in cooperation with real nature, attuned with the living creator of real life." (Arthur Cristian - Love For Life Campaign)